The Sun of Tabriz

Just suppose you are able to make an interview with Hazrat Shams-e Tabrizi.. What would you ask him? Perhaps some of your questions are similar to the ones as given below:

Q: You are so famous that you really need no introduction. Your name Shams means ‘sun’…
A: When someone is born in the sun itself, from birth he opens his eyes to the sun and becomes accustomed to it. They tell him: ‘Speak of the moon, speak of Mercury”. How can I speak of them? Does the sun even know that there is a moon in the world?

Q: Can you tell us something about your relationship with Mawlana Rumi?
A: When I came to Mawlana, the first stipulation was that I was not coming to be a shaykh. God has not yet brought to the face of the earth someone who could be Mawlana’s shaykh. That would not be a mortal. And I am not such that I could be a disciple. Nothing of that remains for me.

Right now I am Mawlana’s friend, and I am certain that Mawlana is the friend of God. In this I make no repudation or honour. Now, the friend of God’s friend is God’s friend – this has been established.

Q: What is your opinion about the retreat?
A: Be among the people, but be alone. Don’t go into seclusion, but be solitary.

Q: I wonder at the hadith that says: “This world is the prison of the believer”.
A: Me, I’ve made the prison a garden for myself. If my prison is a garden, just think what my garden must be!

Q: I’d like to test you and see if you are a stand-up comedian. So tell me a joke, right now!
A: A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim were friends. They found some money and prepared halva. It was late: “We’ll eat it tomorrow. But it isn’t much. Whoever has a fine dream will eat it.

The Christian said: “Jesus came down and pulled me up”.
The Jew said: “Moses took me to gaze upon paradise”.
The Muslim said: “Muhammad came. He said; ‘Helpless fellow! Jesus has taken one of them to the fourth heaven, and Moses took the other to paradise. You’re deprived and helpless. At least get up and eat the halva’. So I got up and ate the halva”.

Q: The are many New Age fans of Mawlana Rumi. Even Madonna has brought out music with ‘his’ poetry.
A: I wonder what these people think friendship with God is. That God who created the heavens, who created the earth, who made the universe appear – is His friendship gained so easily that you come in and sit before Him, you talk and you listen? Do you fancy this is a soup kitchen? You come in and you drink it down? Then you just leave?

Q: You will know that in the qawwali of the Chishti Sufis often the poetry of Mawlana Rumi is being used. Can you quote an example?
A: Here is an example but I am not sure if Mawlana ever wrote it:

Neither foolishly nor frivolously, in the lane and the market, I roam.
Possessed by the temperament of the lover I am, to have a glimpse, I roam.
O, God, the Almighty! Shower Your mercy upon me, disturbed and distracted, I roam.
I am guilty, I am sinful and in this wretched condition, I roam.
The wine of fondness I drink and round the Friend, I roam.
Like the intoxicated I talk, but like the wise, I roam.
Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I weep, sometimes I fall, sometimes I rise.
The Messiah is within my heart and like an invalid, I roam.
Come, o my Beloved! Come! Help you your Mawlana Rumi,
I am a slave of Shams Tabrizi and like a qalandar, I roam.

Q: Anything else you want to say to us?
A: Safar-e mubarak! May your journey be blessed!

4 Comments Add yours

  1. KgnReshma says:

    Bismillaha KGN,
    O Shaykh, Master upon thy feet I fall,
    Unlike thee my stature is not at all tall.
    Thou so sweet & clean as a whistle,
    My impure heart, cause of dismissal?

    The Joke in this interview made me laugh,
    Remember my wishful writing on epitaph?
    Thank heavens for my Murshid’s humor,
    Laughter best medicine, reduces tumor.

    Is friend of God’s friend really God’s friend?
    Even though little time together is spend?
    I too am a slave of Krish & like a Qalandar, I roam,
    From London to Paris, as far away as the Rome.

    Thank You!

  2. KgnReshma says:

    KGN & Haji Malang Baba!

    In the two worlds,
    Outside of god,
    We don’t have a boyfriend.
    Out of memory to god,
    We have no profession.

    We are the poor dervishes,
    In this part of the world.
    We have nothing to do,
    With the good and the bad,
    From the creatures in the world.

    We are tasks of a tree,
    Loaded with the fruits of unity.
    When a passer-by throws stones at us,
    We feel no shame.
    With our torn clothes made of wool,
    We are sitting on the floor,
    Without shame …

    We don’t have a loyal friend
    And that is not surprising:
    We have no boyfriend,
    Outside the Almighty Lord.

    Rumi’s Work as translated by Shaykh M.Siraj.


  3. KgnReshma says:

    Time as ripple moves across the stream.
    Time as shadow showing false dreams.
    Time is ticking wishing lovers ‘good-night’,
    We shall meet morrow at the rising light.
    Time’s a bubble on the path of Lovers sea:
    Beloved, when’s the right time to meet thee?

    1.It is difficult to find friendship in ‘normal’ society, although it naturally also exists there.

    2.The intentions of a Sufi tariqa lie in terms of friendship, brotherhood, and love. If you are lucky enough to be in the company of a Sufi, then that is food for the soul. My family has made the trip to our Sufi teacher in India more than 20 times. We have also traveled with Him to Europe. Every time afterwards we had the feeling that the battery was being charged.

    3.There have been moments in His Company that were truly amazing. He was in our living room with us. Sometimes we sat there in silence. I remember the sun slowly setting. There was an atmosphere of inner peace. Slowly it seemed as if you were lifted from the gray, everyday existence to a world of certainty.

    4.You experienced with absolute certainty for some time that the Sufi path was a good path for you.

    5.Of course, the company of a Moersjid/Murshid/MASTER is not always easy. He is different than a section leader. A Moersjid does not always tell you what you want to hear, but what you need. It does happen indirectly. You rarely hear that you have to do this or that. For example, stories are told or poems are recited by the Sufi teacher. Suddenly you can get the feeling that something out there is meant for you…

    Vaya con Dios,(Go with God)

    Shaykh Siraj [Nov12th,19th 2009]

    Een derwisj is een vriend van God
    En een vriend van een vriend is een vriend,
    Dus waarom word je geen vriend van een derwisj?

  4. KgnReshma says:


    See the generosity and kindness of God
    The servant has sinned and is ashamed.
    Whenever one of His sinful and miserable servants raises his hand repentantly to the court of the Substantial, the Glorious, the Exalted in the hope of being interrogated, then the exalted God does not first give him a look.

    He begs again and again Allah turns away. And again he begs and complains full of submission. Then the substantial and exalted finally say: “Oh, angels of mine! I really feel ashamed of My servant. He has another Lord besides Me. That is why I have forgiven him. That is to say: I have heard his prayer and I have satisfied his need, for I am ashamed of the many pleas and pleas of My servant.

    Shaykh M.Siraj.

    KGN,Haji Malang Baba,Nasiruddin Baba,Siraj Baba,


    In case you don’t get a Master,
    Wait patiently & eat sweet Halva.
    When the right time comes,
    Hear the beating of drums.

    O I longed to meet this friend of the friend of god,
    Who Himself, of course is the friend of Lord.
    Smart & Tall, Confident & Modest among the lot,
    A snowy ponytail well tugged in the right slot.

    He asked me “Having met me has made you happy”?
    In response I smiled and nodded searchingly.
    “Whence you write to my Beloved”, said I;
    “Tell Him I asked for Him “, but said not why.

    The friend then looked at me & smiled,
    “Remember thy Murshid, no need to cry”.
    “For in remembrance there’s connection,
    In connection there’s a hidden relation”.

    “Many very folks know Him,
    Yet not many have met Him.
    Wait nay for written communication,
    Essence lies in feeling, the connection”.

    “In case you feel His connect,
    Be relaxed cause you are set.
    In case we meet not again,
    Remember & feel my presence.”

    Thank You!

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